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oh c'mon

9:51 PM

I'm just joking

#tulpa-questions may not be the best place for it when somebody is asking for helpful information, hah.

...

Dw, I can tell when someone is joking tho

9:52 PM

But anyways, I am thinking about starting with narrating, today and just believe in the tulpa

Believing they exist to some extent is certainly good.

9:55 PM

But, please do try to avoid making assumptions - positive or negative. Assumptions are what tend to lead people to problems, more than anything.

So, just talk to it for a while, but don't assume anything?

It shouldn't really be any issue if you're forcing for the first time, hah.

9:56 PM

Not making assumptions is generally good practice, even outside of tulpas.

Yeah, I'm just looking to soak up as much knowledge about tulpamancy as I possibly can

wait

10:05 PM

tbh, when you're creating a tulpa, right

10:06 PM

you can "seed" it (aka give it some sort of a preset by talking to them about different things and defining the end product differently) (edited)

I think I'm just going to talk about my day and who I am

yeah

10:09 PM

but when (and if) I decide to convert Monika (dream servitor) to a Monika (tulpa), can't I just preset her in the first few weeks by complimenting her all the time and saying nice things and stuff for her to... love me?

10:10 PM

like, I know it's just a form

10:10 PM

and tulpas can deviate

10:10 PM

but still

I don't think I'm the right guy to answer that question

yeah

10:11 PM

that's why I'm waiting for someone to show up

Well, I'm going to start forcing, I'll speak to you guys tomorrow

bye

Hi.

10:14 PM

@Deleted User just masturbate to ddlc porn like a human being rather than attempting to manipulate a supposedly sentient being into loving you when her other options are disappoint you or die.

see

Please don't 'program' people. (edited)

this is why I don't like you (Sous, not Winter)

10:16 PM

IDK

10:16 PM

I am probably immoral okay?

he's right though

I know

10:17 PM

that's why I've posted about being immoral

10:17 PM

because I am

10:18 PM

I just wanna... leave this werid servitor situation

[Oooh, who was the fun-loving girl Sayoori? I am gunna take her form and lewd it instead. Heh]

but then, you first told me that "it's totally fine, she isn't sentient"

@Sete Please don't announce that kind of thing here.

and then you tell me shit like this

I never said anything to you about this before.

10:19 PM

I didn't even know you had a servitor.

[That aside if you are going to make her into a tulpa just treat her well, talk to her and let her decide if she wants to love you.]

so, is she sentient or nah? do I have the right to force things on her, or nah?

10:20 PM

IDK if I wanna change her from a servitor though, that's my worry

Servitors are a meme. You have two real options. -Have normal sexual fantasies like most people do. -Make a tulpa and let them be a person.

for now, she's totally "programmed to love me" (non-sentient creature that just exhibits the werid dream traits of things), but later, she might not (edited)

If you plan to try and make your imaginary dream character into a tulpa, please do not force personality traits onto her or otherwise "program" her in the way you describe. Explain what you want, clarify it, treat her well, see if it ends up happening.

what do you mean by "servitors are a meme"?

It's not actually a very complicated distinction - if you do not plan to make that character sentient/sapient, there isn't any issue with you manipulating it however you please. If you do, and start acting on that, please don't manipulate them in such a way - to see why, try putting yourself in their position. If you were to be 'created' in that way and constantly manipulated or otherwise attempted to be 'programmed' to do what your host wanted, without your consent or input, how would you think of it? (edited)

10:23 PM

Well. That is one way to try and see why.

10:23 PM

In the end, the point is to be empathetic to their situation and treat them well as a result.

[Thinking of a sexual fantasy character as a servitor while focusing on tulpa-related concepts seems like an all around bad idea.]

she is not sentient, she interacts with me though

servitors are an incredibly unclear concept with roots in meta bullshit. I'm not saying that they're impossible but no one has ever created a good definition of what one is or how to make one. It is highly likely in my opinion that most "servitors" are either underdeveloped tulpas or normal parts of anyone's mind.

Yes.

10:24 PM

I would define a "servitor" as a personified habit.

in order to interact one must be sentient, by definition.

10:25 PM

unless, again, you're just having normal fantasies.

A habit that one visualizes, and otherwise personifies as some kind of entity - but is ultimately just a habit.

[Occultists have rigirous precautions when it comes to servitors for example. Either just think of a character or go all in. Don't try to half ass it.] (edited)

Otherwise, yes. An imaginary character.

I know! I am just werid, okay!

10:26 PM

I've just caught onto one word and now copy and put it everywhere

10:26 PM

"dream character" would be truly the most consistent one though

10:27 PM

I don't want to trap a human being

10:27 PM

since that's what tulpas are

then... don't make one unless you're truly willing to accept that they might not want to sex you.

fuck it, let it be a "dream character" then

10:28 PM

and slap me until it hurts if I say anything about making her a tulpa

10:28 PM

I hate forcing stuff on people

10:29 PM

but nobody has ever liked me all that much before y'all

10:29 PM

I have a few friends, but that's Discord stuff

10:29 PM

RL, null, nothing, nada

10:29 PM

I am so fucking lonely

why does your tulpa have to be a Monika who loves you then? why can't you just make a friend?

...IDK if I just don't want to create a tulpa that'd be my friend

10:30 PM

(What an odd conversation.

10:31 PM

MY POINT EXACTLY, BDUDDY

10:31 PM

(Listen, Alex and I can't stop you. We can't persuade you to do what we think is right. But we can't stress enough, don't create a tulpa because you're just lonely. (edited)

10:31 PM

(It's not fair to the tulpa. You're creating an entirely sentient person, who will deviate, change, and have their own opinions eventually. They won't always agree with you.

10:31 PM

why not?

10:32 PM

IK, friends don't always agree with people either

10:32 PM

(They won't always do what you want, if they're far along enough. Alex and I disagree about a lot, and sometimes we argue.

10:32 PM

IK that, friends don't do that too

10:32 PM

a true friend

10:32 PM

I want a true friend

10:33 PM

those slight bits of non-loneliness might carry me through

10:34 PM

it's just a goal:

create whatever the fuck the tulpa wants to be
try to befriend it... closely and carefully

10:34 PM

that's definitely easier and more probable (edited)

10:34 PM

oh god

10:34 PM

my spelling deteriorates

10:35 PM

my grammar does too

and what if they say no?

IDK

10:36 PM

when creating a tulpa

10:36 PM

I should accept rejection

10:36 PM

IDK if I'm ready for that yet